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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:11:00 -
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It is false and misleading to say "If you can fly it now, you will be able to fly it after the changes."
You only mean, "We will break the rules at the time of the change *just this one time*".
It is absolutely not necessary that someone has the required skills to fly a ship they can fly now. The "Keep your Medical Clone Insurance Up-to-Date" is a sad excuse to cover-up the changes made which truly could affect the ability to fly a ship one can fly now.
Further, given the number of SP that has been wasted training some skills to higher levels than necessary after the changes (OMG what a waste of my time to train Gallente Industrial V as well as others !!!), CCP should absolutely, without hestitation, give players any and all skills to full listed requirements that are now added to a ship we "can fly now" so that we truly can fly it after the changes.
These changes have been disruptive to our normal skill training. CCP announced almost a year ago some of these changes and warned to train them soon. The fact that the ship changes announced as Coming Soon TM were only minor tweaks to Titans escaped those players who were eager to blame those of us that did train these skill AS CCP TOLD US TO DO, and no doubt already had the skills trained anyway. AND, I trained them while I was neural mapped wrong and lost countless *DAYS* that could have been spent now when I am correctly neural mapped. Again, more reason to give us skills that we will ACTUALLY need to fly the ships we can fly now rather than just play lip service and give excuses that it will be OUR FAULT if we get podded without insurance. |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:15:00 -
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No, it doesn't come down to not reading the devblog-- but maybe you should with an open mind to problems that might exist for *OTHER* players.
The problem is that the new nested requirements are not necessarily skills some (obviously other) players HAD.
Drosal Inkunen wrote:Bariolage wrote:Most thorough blog post ever. 6 pages of questions in 3 hours. A lot of the questions are the same people asking the same thing. It was answered in the dev blog and answered several times in the thread. It all comes down to people not knowing how nested requirements work. (Also quite a few people not knowing the difference between the "X Warfare" skill and the "X Warfare Specialist" skill.
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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
193
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Posted - 2013.02.08 04:03:00 -
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"Removal and refund of all Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill books at the NPC order price."
So, massive headaches = 990,000 ISK refund.
Stop the pretense of doing us favors. |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:48:00 -
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No, don't be a troll.
All of these changes have thrown my skill planning into havoc and I have lost weeks of training while neural mapped wrong.
Trolls will be trolls, I guess.
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Haifisch Zahne wrote:"Removal and refund of all Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill books at the NPC order price."
So, massive headaches = 990,000 ISK refund.
Stop the pretense of doing us favors. So you have a massive headache over some uninjected skillbooks? |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.19 07:36:00 -
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I think it would be obvious to any non-troll that seeing 43 pages of comments in this thread alone and 108 pages of comments on the original post on the subject (and countless other posts and threads) that I don't give a rat's tushy about a couple skill books lying around.
I don't have any of these skill books lying around. Ok?
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Haifisch Zahne wrote:No, don't be a troll. All of these changes have thrown my skill planning into havoc and I have lost weeks of training while neural mapped wrong. Trolls will be trolls, I guess. Tyberius Franklin wrote:Haifisch Zahne wrote:"Removal and refund of all Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill books at the NPC order price."
So, massive headaches = 990,000 ISK refund.
Stop the pretense of doing us favors. So you have a massive headache over some uninjected skillbooks? I asked because your question was poorly elaborated. You didn't even mention the specific source of your headache (changes in general/specific ships/etc?). This made it hard to make what I suppose you would consider a non-troll response, especially considering the only thing you did mention was the skillbook refund which, unless I'm mistaken only affects uninjected skillbooks. As such if you have the in your head and are training them to maximize the SP redistribution it's a complete non-issue for you. But that was all you gave, hence my response. |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:04:00 -
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Putting aside the troll epidemic, I still can't get an answer:
If I have, for example, Command Ships trained before the changes, but not, say, Amarr Cruisers V trained, will I be able to fly the Amarr Command Ships after the changes if I meet the new prerequisites *except* the new ones for Command Ships. Or, MUST I have Amarr Cruisers trained to V BEFORE the changes in order to fly their Command Ships after the changes.
Essentially, the talk has been "if you can fly the **SHIP** before, you can fly it after". I want to know if this really means "if you have the **SKILL** before, you will have it after (and can use the skill to fulfill other requirements just as if you had trained it after the changes even though you don't have all of its new prerequisites)".
Please only answer if you can and do read the entire post, understand what I have written, and know what the "h" "e" double-hockey sticks you are talking about (and preferably are a dev).
The point is not academic. It has serious ramifications to capital and super capital ships as well. |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:05:00 -
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Thanks. Excellent. And from a dev!
(ummmm, something happened to your edited quote of my original question.)
CCP Fozzie wrote:Haifisch Zahne "if you can fly the **[u wrote:SHIP[/u]** before, you can fly it after".
"if you have the **SKILL** before, you will have it after (and can use the skill to fulfill other requirements just as if you had trained it after the changes even though you don't have all of its new prerequisites)".
Both of these statements are correct (although for different reasons). If you have already injected a skill, the change in prerequisites for the skill will not matter. The skill will function in every way as normal. Ships only check to see if you have the required skills in order to fly them, they don't check that you have the prereqs for those required skills (the nested requirements). So we're not taking your skills away, and we're not removing any ships from the collection that you are able to fly.
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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:59:00 -
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It wasn't a snipped quote.
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Haifisch Zahne wrote:(ummmm, something weird happens to the edited quote of my original question.)
Nothing weird at all. People just have to be careful when snipping quotes and Fozzie apparently wasn't :).
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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:05:00 -
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I think you might want to wipe that smug smile off your face. A lot of die hard fans don't like this -tieracide-cookie-cutter ship-let's make this WoW- attitude that CCP keeps coming back to even after mass cancelations of subscriptions.
Or, I suppose you will laugh all the way to the bank, as the children flock to the latest easy game to master. (Until they too get bored, and leave en mass.)
CCP Fozzie wrote:Mcdebris wrote:what you gonna do to keep your tier system alive?
We're killing the tier system violently with a smile on our face.
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